Sunday, June 12, 2011

Whats going on here?

I'm sorry my  "good bully" post is long in coming, I am trying to assemble pictures. Meanwhile, can any show people tell me what on earth is going on with this dogs gait, and why it looks like this, and more importantly, what structural abnormality CAUSED this?






And by this I mean the odd thing his overreaching / right hind leg is doing. Instead of being two / / and two  \ \ he is / \\\

12 comments:

  1. My best, uneducated guess would be that the rear is too angulated, causing the rear legs to overreach on the trot. Poodles are known for being very angulated in the rear, and I see a lot of overangulation nowadays.

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  2. Could be a couple of things.

    Likely, this dog is being gaited too fast. It overloads the front and causes the rear to overreach - especially in a square dog, such as a poodle.

    He could be too short in the body, high on the leg and/or overangulated, but it is hard to assess without laying on of hands in a poodle. That clip hides a lot of flaws...which is likely part of the reason poodle exhibitors insist on keeping that clip in the standard.

    This is a breed that is best assessed with hands more than eyes. You cannot see his angles with his pack covering them, nor can you guess the depth of his chest, length of loin, etc.

    I'll give him this: he has a dandy tail set. I see more poodles with tails held way over the back - to the point in which it would curl over their backs had they not been docked.

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  3. Wow, you'd be able to get into landscapeing/hedge trimming after figuring out that clip lol

    I am sorry, I know nothing about poodles and have nothing constructive to say, I am just amused by the doggy-hair-do hehe

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  4. Magnify the photo 400% or more and study the foot placement. I don't see an over-reaching gaite when I magnify and really look at the picture. I agree the dog might just be over angulated, but in this picture I see correct movement.

    http://www.weim.net/emberweims/sgait.html

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  5. I agree, I see lovely movement for a square dog - tons of reach (reaching to the end of his nose) and lovely rear drive. A square dog moves differently than a rectangle and when combined with big shoulder lay back and rear angles, you get big, flashy side gait.

    Clip - derived from a clip that was use when they were used as water retrievers - chest kept warm, braclets kept the joints warm, balls on the hip joints kept those warm....and then of course the clip has been highly stylized

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  6. Sorry, I think you're on a wrong road here. That poodle looks pretty correct in his movement. Would be better of course if it was video to be sure that things are OK. May be a bit over-angulated, but not terribly. His front reach is good, meaning his shoulders are well-angulated, and he presents a really nice square picture.
    Stick to those monstrous bull-type creatures you have been featuring. They REALLY need saving.

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  7. Wow, thanks for your post anonymous, I was actually kind of surpised to read that some version of this clip used to be used because of "practicality" lol, it really doesn't look it >.<

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  8. You're welcome Germanchick....look up history pics on the Poodle - you will see lots of bedraggled looking water dogs - in an old fashioned clip similar to what is shown now. They are great retrievers and have water trials for them. If my history comes to me correctly - Pudel - came from the German word for puddle - and Standards were the original size.

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  9. Anonymous-
    FINALLY someone else knows the reason for the show clip. A friend of mine breeds lovely standard poodles. They are born and raised on a horse ranch. They are hardy, smart, dogs with incredible personalities. They arent kept in show clip but a short body clip with top knot, tail poof to keep clean. But they are lovely dogs. This dog looks like it is moving beautifully. Moving out, reaching. When a dog is in a faster gait- just like a horse they move two and two.

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  10. I was actually told that that clip was to protect the joints, chest, eyes and tail from damage from brush, weeds and water critters, whilst removing sections of the coat to keep the dog from overheating. (poodles, after all, do not shed).

    But he looks like he's tracking up not overtracking to me.

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  11. Sorry for the confusion in what I was asking-- I am aware the reach in front is lovely, and the angulation on this animal is nice, what threw me off is why it appears that instead of both legs at a full extended trot being an upside down V, it appears that both high legs are going \ \

    It is the oddest overreach/rear assembly gaiting I have EVER seen, not even GSDs have that sort of look to their rear when they gait.

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  12. I think the rear bracelet is what is confusing your eye - his hock is bent - therefore making the leg look a bit wonky - the rear foot has not yet set down, and with the bracelet bent (hock) it is decieving to the eye.

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